I think it can be done with the butt of the club under the palm pad. Just pull the other end of the club's grip and put it more towards the palm as well instead of over the index finger's 2nd joint (next to big knuckle joint).
AGAIN, you will not be able to reach the plane with your right forearm.
Hmmmm....great posts guys...I think I am understanding these better...thanks for the patience and time..
Yeah...my feeling of releasing #3 is I think just to make sure the necessary Hinge Motion of the L wrist happens...I get it now...it is still #4 that pulls everything...
Yeah, it is the Pivot that speeds up the clubhead...the #4...which then uncocks #2...yeah, doesn't have to uncock it intentionally, it just happens Auto, but never Non-Auto...hmmm....
I actually bought the book, haven't read all of it though...just Chapter 10...lol and the introduction part...Hope to have time to look thru it all...
Thanks for the help All...
By the way, not here just to critique at all...just want to learn...but yeah, should read it all first...will try find time...
But All, what is your thoughts about big #3 angle at Address and Impact when L wrist is fully uncocked already? To my mind, it doesn't affect #2 and its release at all. The cock to uncock travel of the L wrist doesn't change, doesn't it? So, Clubhead Speed won't be affected. However, Clubface Control is much easier...you can Horiz Hinge the Face as much as you can and still end up like Angle Hinging it... And I don't have to deal with timing that Snap Release...I can Release the hell out of it as soon as I finish the Start Down and Drag Loading... Thoughts?
B, I started slightly closing my club-face on my drives last week and Hit some weird Angle Hinge draws!
The drives went out like a very satisfying draw which was cool past the trees but a couple of them actually faded at the end of their flight!
I suppose that the Angle Hinge was stronger in my motion than the slightly closed club face. I had a flash of what Bubba Watson must feel like on a daily basis!
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Whip, with my artificial hip, 11 hip operations, shorter front leg and non-athletic build, I figured I would zero-out the Pivot so I can walk a little better when I'm done with the round and Hitting has really helped. Last week, I shot an 86 having been on line all day but short by 10 or 15 yards using a stiffer shaft in newer Titleist ZB's, and a 77 two weeks earlier. This weekend I'll add two clubs and Hit and get a senior shaft in the clubs after my round unless I am missing something obvious you'd like to mention.
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Whip, with my artificial hip, 11 hip operations, shorter front leg and non-athletic build, I figured I would zero-out the Pivot so I can walk a little better when I'm done with the round and Hitting has really helped. Last week, I shot an 86 having been on line all day but short by 10 or 15 yards using a stiffer shaft in newer Titleist ZB's, and a 77 two weeks earlier. This weekend I'll add two clubs and Hit and get a senior shaft in the clubs after my round unless I am missing something obvious you'd like to mention.
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I would have to see your motion on film to asses what your best options are. Realize though that the hit requires some definite pivoting as well although with a preturned hip it can be easier if you'd like u can pm me a YouTube link of your swing if u have one. You can also equally swing from a preturned hip position and only go to top, and swing quite well perhaps better than your hit procedure at the moment not sure.
I would have to see your motion on film to asses what your best options are. Realize though that the hit requires some definite pivoting as well although with a preturned hip it can be easier if you'd like u can pm me a YouTube link of your swing if u have one. You can also equally swing from a preturned hip position and only go to top, and swing quite well perhaps better than your hit procedure at the moment not sure.
Will investigate! Thanks!
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I would have to see your motion on film to asses what your best options are. Realize though that the hit requires some definite pivoting as well although with a preturned hip it can be easier if you'd like u can pm me a YouTube link of your swing if u have one. You can also equally swing from a preturned hip position and only go to top, and swing quite well perhaps better than your hit procedure at the moment not sure.
Good question, Armourall. And a complete answer provides the opportunity toclear Major League Fog.
You have correctly and perceptively observed that the Square Plane Line (10-5-A)is listed as the Plane Line Component (#5) for the Drive Loading Basic Patternof 12-1-0. In contrast, my post recommended the Closed Plane Line (10-5-E). Themissing link is Homer's dual purpose in creating the Basic StrokePatterns of Chapter 12.
His first objective was to present the Basic Uncompensated Stroke forboth Hitting (12-1-0) and Swinging (12-2-0). The second was to permit theplayer to interchange those patterns -- both when learning them andin using them in actual play -- with a minimum of disruption totheir original Basic Pattern. To accomplish this second objective, he variedthe respective Components only as absolutely necessary to accomodate thenature of each, i.e., the Push (Drive Loading) or the Pull (DragLoading).
The Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A is the true Geometric Plane Line andas such, it is the Basic Delivery Line for both Hitting andSwinging(2-J-3). Swingers actively Trace -- point at -- this Straight Line asthe simplified alternative to Monitoring the Curved Arc of the ClubheadBlur through the Impact Point and Low Point. In Tracing the Straight Plane Lineof 10-5-A -- the On Line Procedure -- the Swinger automatically producesthe correct Visual Arc of Approach (2-J-3-A)-- the curved Path of theClubhead Blur -- through Impact.
As stated above, Hitters may use this same Basic Delivery Line. In sodoing, they likewise will produce the On Line Arc of ApproachProcedure. However, unlike Swingers, they have an additional option, and thatis the Cross Line Angle of Approach procedure. The Angle ofApproach is that Straight Line drawn between the Impact Point and Low Point(2-J-3-B and Sketch 2-C-1-#3). As long as the Clubhead passes through those twopoints, the Angle of Approach and the Arc of Approach are Geometric Equivalents.
The Closed Plane Line of 10-5-E can be erected on the Angle of Approach, and itsBaseline (by definition) will cross the Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A and pointto "Right Field." It is not practical for the Swinger to use thisalternative Plane Line to Deliver the Clubhead into Impact. This is because hesenses a Circular "Wheel Rim" Whirling Motion of his Orbiting Handsthrough the Three Stations, i.e., from the Address to the Top andthrough Impact to the Finish. This Swinging Motion is much bettersuited to the On Line (Arc of Approach) Procedure and is best produced byTracing the Straight Plane Line of 10-5-A.
The Hitter, however, does not experience the Wheel Rim sensation of theOrbiting Hands. Instead of a 'Swinging' Motion of the Hands in theBackstroke, he senses a 'Carrying' Motion. And instead of a CircularWhirling Motion through the Ball, he senses a decided Straight LineThrust (of the Driving Right Arm). And this Thrust lends itself ideallyto the Cross Line Angle of Approach Procedure.
For the Hitter, then, the two Procedures -- On Line (Arc of Approach) andCross Line (Angle of Approach) -- are interchangeable. And to satisfyHomer's second Stroke Pattern objective -- as much consistency aspossible between the two Basic Patterns (Drive and Drag) -- he listed theSquare Plane Line of 10-5-A as Component #5 for both. He also advised that theplayer should avoid customizing either until the "expert" stage wasreached. If you have not yet reached that stage, then stay with 10-5-A forHitting.
However, if you have, then per 2-J-3, the Cross Line 'Hit' ispreferred to the On Line 'Hit' and the customization of the Basic12-1-0 Pattern is warranted. The On Line 'Swing' remains the preferredProcedure for 12-2-0, whether the player has reached the expert stage or not.
And this brings us back to Square One -- the need for the Pre-Turned Right Hip.Interestingly, both Stroke Patterns list the Delayed Hip Action (10-15-B) asthe Basic Hip Action Component (#15). Its Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpfulto players using the On Line Swing because it assures that the Hipwill be properly Cleared in the Backstroke, thus permitting the Hands toexecute the mandatory Three Dimensional Backstroke (2-F). It also offers more 'RightForearm Fanning' room in Start Up than the Standard Action of 10-15-A.
However, while the Pre-Turned Right Hip is helpful to the On LineSwinger it is essential to the Cross Line Hitter. His Closed Plane Lineproduces a Cross Line Clubhead Path and with it, a Right Hip—Right Elbowconflict. This Path (and its problematic Hip—Elbow conflict) may be preciselyidentified by observing the On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach inImpact Fix and the parallel Clubhead Angle of Approach through Impact.And the curious fact is that your Hands simply will not take the Club backon that Line if your Right Hip is in the way. And it is! You can tell them-- out loud if you wish -- that you will move the Hip immediately in Start Up,but they will not believe you. As Homer used to say, "The Hands just won'tbuy it." And so they just 'go around' the Hip and take the Club Off Planein the process.
So, if you're going to Cross Line Hit, you must Pre-Turn theRight Hip. And since the Pre-Turned Hip is perfectly acceptable (and even advisable)for On Line Swingers as well, Homer made it the Basic Hip Action Component for bothBasic Stroke Patterns. Why should you have to spend years learning andusing Standard Hip Action -- with On Line Swinging or On Line Hitting orboth -- only to find out that the Pre-Turned Hip of Delayed Hip Action ismandated by the more sophisticated Cross Line Hit? And then be forced to startall over again learning a new Hip Action Component and then integrating itinto your Basic Pattern? Or else forego The Joy of Cross Line Hitting.
You see, Homer knew long before you did that you would be following him downthis road, and he wanted to make your transition as easy as possible.
Pretty neat, don't you think?
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Very helpful insight, Whip!
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Thanks Whip and LBG!
Cross-line and pre-turned hips adds stability and speed to Hitting and Swinging. Very easy to use Extensor Action for both and then with a stationary head both Hits and Swings jump!
Trajectory is a little flatter and distances are a bit better but I realized my ZB's are an inch shorter than my clones and stiffer. Target line is dead on in both! #3 PP or # 1 really accelerates with the slightest invitation.
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