If you can walk and swing your arms back and forth, you can walk and swing your arms from side to side. And if you can do that, you can learn to swing a golf club.
That doesn't mean you should send in your app to Q-School. It does mean that, if you go about it in a sensible way, you can develop an efficient, effective swing within the constraints of your own talent.
Lynn here is what I said.
"People can spend countless hours wasting time trying to program themselves to do things which are impossible for them."
How does that translate into the golf stroke is impossible for them... or doing something in the golf stroke is impossible for them....
I was merely stating the most simple of simple logic about cause and effect. For example it does little good to tell someone to maintain a stationary head if it is incorrectly placed at address and no matter how many hours this person spends on the concept, it will still be impossible for them.
The pianist was the brilliant Canadian performer, Glenn Gould (1932-1982) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Gould. In response to a reporter's question regarding his penchant for studying the musical score in lieu of extended practice sessions (with a mechanical focus on scales and etudes), Maestro Gould replied:
"The fingers have little to do with playing the piano."
Obviously, this an exaggeration and presumes the normal conservatory training and day-to-day practice routine of the world class concert pianist. However, his point was well made: Once the physical element is under control, it is the computer (the subconscious) that must be programmed -- and allowed -- to perform.
And even more to this point, the late great jazz icon Charlie Parker once said "Master the instrument, learn the changes, then forget all that @*$^ and just play!"
He was referring to improvising, which is different from Gould's genius, that being interpretation of Bach as evidenced through his performances, but the two are close enough.
I've been a professional musician for a few decades now, and absolutely feel improvisatory with my short game, but I just can't seem to get that intuitive flow through time with my long game.
I know the performance should start when you're standing behind the ball and end with your finish, but I'm not quite there yet...although, now that I think about it, just responding to this thread has provided some real insight for me. Perhaps, in the next round I play, I will attempt to be intuitive and simply "do", instead of focusing on swing keys and such.
And even more to this point, the late great jazz icon Charlie Parker once said "Master the instrument, learn the changes, then forget all that @*$^ and just play!"
He was referring to improvising, which is different from Gould's genius, that being interpretation of Bach as evidenced through his performances, but the two are close enough.
I've been a professional musician for a few decades now, and absolutely feel improvisatory with my short game, but I just can't seem to get that intuitive flow through time with my long game.
I know the performance should start when you're standing behind the ball and end with your finish, but I'm not quite there yet...although, now that I think about it, just responding to this thread has provided some real insight for me. Perhaps, in the next round I play, I will attempt to be intuitive and simply "do", instead of focusing on swing keys and such.
"People can spend countless hours wasting time trying to program themselves to do things which are impossible for them."
How does that translate into the golf stroke is impossible for them... or doing something in the golf stroke is impossible for them....
Mathew,
Since your full quote was:
Originally Posted by Mathew
The golf stroke is really a structure and a set of physical laws and alignments that surround its optimal use. You can only control what you can control and you can only control what your ready to control. People can spend countless hours wasting time trying to program themselves to do things which are impossible for them.
. . . and since this is a golf-oriented site . . .
. . . perhaps you can forgive my ignorant assumption that you were referring to the golf stroke.
The golf stroke is really a structure and a set of physical laws and alignments that surround its optimal use. You can only control what you can control and you can only control what your ready to control. People can spend countless hours wasting time trying to program themselves to do things which are impossible for them.
. . . and since this is a golf-oriented site . . .
. . . perhaps you can forgive my ignorant assumption that you were referring to the golf stroke.
Sorry.
You are too skilled at English to do two complete misrepresentations and thus I can only conclude your doing it deliberately.
Im not going to even bother arguing here (don't mistake that with I can't) - take down my animations and I am no longer posting here.
What is it with people on t'internet that they cannot say - "sorry, I accept your point of view"!
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What is it with people on t'internet that they cannot say - "sorry, I accept your point of view"!
I have no problem with it and to prove it...I accept your point of view regarding the videos. If there was something I could do about it I would, but I don't work for Microsoft (thank goodness).
I think the jest of this thread is "practice can make perfect".
The problem us weekenders have is that we can make it happen on the range but the course is far more demanding. So when the wheels come off on a shot, we immediately go into mechanics mode to make the appropriate adustments and then move on to the next series of shots while still staying in a mechanical mindset. Rather than accepting the shot for what it is and staying in "player mode".
If a Concert Pianist went into mechanical mode when missing a note, the audience would recognize the change of pattern in a instant, but true appreciation comes when the Pianist misses a note and recovers brilliantly. I've seen Ice skaters and many other performance athletes do the same.
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I was a pretty good pitcher when I was a young kid...one of the better ones in the league...I remember once getting pissy with the coach because he pulled me out of a game...I told him I was out of here...thinking he would change his mind ...but he didn't....I walked off the field and was heading up the dirt road home....didn't get very far though...went back apologized to the coach and told him I would never do that again...I guess I respected him for not letting me get away with it....and I loved playing baseball way too much to let my childish behavior deprive me of playing the game and missing my next start.
You are too skilled at English to do two complete misrepresentations and thus I can only conclude your doing it deliberately.
Im not going to even bother arguing here (don't mistake that with I can't) - take down my animations and I am no longer posting here.
Mathew,
For whatever the reason, you have been in a major self-destruct mode for some months now. Your arrogance, negativism and high-handed disregard for others have been the source of much divisiveness on the site, including this last sad episode. Until you resolve those issues, I not only accept your resignation from the site, I applaud it.
The request to remove 'your' animations -- how quickly we forget the inspiration and collaborative effort that was their origin -- was as predictable as it was petty. They now are down and will be replaced in time by other efforts less sensitive to personal whim.
You have both taken much and given much during your tenure on this site. I will miss your positive contributions, but not their price tag. You are welcome to return when you are able to check your hostilities at the door and conduct yourself in a civil, mature manner.
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