Erickson told me that the best way to train the hands is to actively fire the hands from pitch because pitch increases the angle of the right forearm and the shaft at the parallel before impact ( He calls this the P3 4:30 line) therefore increasing the range of motion for the hands to travel, but it takes a lot of work to train the hands to fire that fast actively.
He said the advantage of this is that you can increase the rotation of the 3rd accumulator,and you gain the advantage of drive loading into impact, therefore actively taking control of impact with the hands, not relying on a dead hand CF hand throw release into a full roll horizontal hinge. He also said that by going this route, you can steepen the angle of attack from a more true low point ball position which puts all the geometry on your side.
He told me the secret of golf is to hold shaft flex into impact because a pre stressed shaft will resist the forces of impact better than an unstressed one, and that pre stress also puts more feel in the hands of the player.
It was hard to argue after watching him pure the ball around the golf course with a set of Hogan Bounce Soles from the 1960's.
John told me that he believes Hogan did exactly what he said in Five Lessons. Wishing he had 3 right hands is exactly correct, and that when he learned this secret of actively hitting with the hands from "pitch" he was able to gain all the benefits of doing so. It sure looks to me this is what is happening.
Hi Justin, thanks for posting the swing - I hope John doesn't mind us chatting about it.
Whilst I am not quite as "by the book" as Daryl it does appear that John has picked many components which are more compatible with swinging.
It seems that he has found a variation which is rarely discussed in TGM and to some extent contrary to convention...quite a rare beast...
In my profession (medicine) when patients come thinking that they have the most rare and bizarre disease...one usually finds that they have an unusual presentation of a more common disease rather than their preferred interpretation (ie. a typical variation of an extremely rare disease)!
I therefore naturally wonder whether John has an unusual right arm sensation whilst doing a typical "swing".....rather than an rare and unconventional version of "hit".
Does he state that he loads the shaft at "end" using drag loading and the uses active triceps thrust (his hitting/drive load) from a pitch position to add or sustain shaft bend through impact??
What hinge action does his motion naturally produce? horizontal or angled?
His feeling of triceps thrust from pitch - how does that differ from the extensor action that one can feel when you "swing" - could he just be using LOADS of extensor action - hence feeling like active thrust? If he uses massive pivot thrust..wounldn't he have to use an equally large amount of extensor action to maintain structure....so much extensor action that it could be misinterpreted as a hit??
John uses a Sequenced Release on the Elbow Plane from a Pitched Elbow Location.
From Top to End he Rolls his Right Wrist (Cocks) and so he uses a Clockwise Turn to Return the Shaft to Plane during his initial Startdown (Like Hogan and many other great Golfers).
The 4:30 Shaft Position at P3-Release results from the Cocked Right Wrist.
But my point, to be exact, is that he is not Hitting. He is Pulling the Clubshaft Lengthwise. He may use Right Triceps Muscle, etc. It may feel like a Push.
I'm not dissing this guy. I'm not looking for an argument. But he lacks a Structured Power Package and its Downstroke Acceleration Sequence. So he uses his Right Arm to Accelerate the Clubshaft but CF still Accelerates the Clubhead.
I believe John is a hitter, every sensation he describes is a hit and he is very knowledgeable as it relates to the golfing machine. And no one should question whether or not he compresses the ball.
What is interesting to me is the difference in his motion and the hitting motion of our's truly Mr. Ted Fort.
Significant differences in their motions. Ted sets up at impact fix with a bent right wrist, maintains the structure and takes it to the top and then drives the bent right wrist down and smashes the ball.
Mr. Ericson, aka lagpressure on the other hand has a standard setup, hinges his right wrist and actively turns and unhinges through and past impact. He also takes his backswing to finish.
Now let me ask this, If I actively bend the right wrist on the backswing and unbend it on the downswing, however, it is still slightly bent and the hands are in front of the clubhead at impact, is that not still hitting? Did I not obtain the objective of a bent right wrist at impact driven by the right side, just with a more dynamic movement as opposed to a static one?
Both Ted and John are using their right side, just different styles and both are incredibly effective.
Loads of thrust going on here. Float then thrash. What makes it all interesting is the want to rip it up plane post impact to avoid any chance of slowing down and to keep the shaft as loaded as possible. I discussed the EA thoughts with John and its not something he actively uses.
Right arm swinging is drag loading. Once his right elbow closes into his side the he actively throws the Flying Wedge through impact.
He talks of throwing the hands but means driving the right forearm and bent right wrist through impact. Again from first hand discussions.
It is different look than most patterns thats for sure.
I discussed the EA thoughts with John and its not something he actively uses.
... He talks of throwing the hands but means driving the right forearm and bent right wrist through impact. Again from first hand discussions.
It is different look than most patterns thats for sure.
If you are a swinger with strong pivot and "unconscious EA"...wouldn't it feel like you had a muscular right forearm thrust through impact?
But the rest of the components shout swinger from the rooftops...
If John is exerting active pp1 thrust - such that he is overcoming CF release...that would assume an angled hinge...fade flight...why would he need to "check his tendancy" for the day before embarking on his round...the straight plane line ain't going to shift overnight ...the only thing that might change is his ability to "time" a muscular thrust...so most days it is CF and horizontal hinge...maybe somedays he does time his right triceps rocket and gets angled hinge...
Maybe...getting out of my depth - whatever he is "doing" it certainly seems to allow him to play really solid golf with classic equipment ...no where to hide a sloppy swing in his bag!
Now let me ask this, If I actively bend the right wrist on the backswing and unbend it on the downswing, however, it is still slightly bent and the hands are in front of the clubhead at impact, is that not still hitting?
No, its Throwaway.
Let me ask you a question.
If you Cock the Right Wrist during the Backswing and then Uncock the Right Wrist through the Impact Interval, would you call that a Radial Thrust?
The common problem with Pivot Controlled Hand Swingers is that they Always Release Early. So, they must find a way to continue Thrusting;
even to the Finish. Upon finding a solution; Nirvana. Look no further than VJ Singh. It's a losing Battle because you can't beat CF to the Ball.
The Harder you try, the Harder it becomes. That's why we need a Power Package. But that's another Topic.
Another issue is the #3 Accumulator Roll. There are two ways to Roll the Clubface. One is by Rolling your Forearm and Wrist to Spin the Shaft
Counterclockwise along its longitudinal center of gravity. The other way is to Roll the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. 'Lagpressure' employees
the First of the two options. Proof of this procedure is that 'Lagpressure' can spin the Shaft and Roll the Clubface with Zero #3 Accumulator Angle.
You need a Rigid Power Package to perform the Second Procedure.
If this is true, then he doesn't truly have Transfer Power.
...the only thing that might change is his ability to "time" a muscular thrust...so most days it is CF and horizontal hinge...maybe somedays he does time his right triceps rocket and gets angled hinge...
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